Showing posts with label #hc09. Show all posts
Showing posts with label #hc09. Show all posts

Monday, December 14, 2009

He Lies! Obamacare Does Cover Illegal Aliens. (And Legal Immigrants Too, Needless To Say)

A timely post from www.vdare.com about the health care bill. You can get more interesting information by following this blog here.

He Lies! Obamacare Does Cover Illegal Aliens. (And Legal Immigrants Too, Needless To Say)
By Washington Watcher
Two months ago, Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) spoke truth to power when he yelled “You Lie!” as President Obama asserted "There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."[Transcript]Wilson was right. Obama was indeed lying.Under legislation which the House may vote on as early as Saturday (November 6), illegal aliens were allowed to participate in the government subsidized health “exchange”. The Democrats intentionally blocked amendments to require any verification to ensure that illegal aliens do not receive the public option.After Wilson exposed Obama and the Democrats' lies, the White House backtracked. Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that Obama would promote a bill where “illegal immigrants would not be allowed to access the exchange that is set up.” He also said that adding verification requirements is "something we'd work out with Congress." [White House stiffens against coverage for illegal immigrants, Associated Press, September 11, 2009]Obama can “work” all he wants, but the Democrats in Congress have apparently chosen simply to ignore his guidelines. In the 1900 pages of the health care bill, they couldn’t (=wouldn’t) add the few sentences that would keep illegal aliens from exploiting taxpayer services.Joe Wilson along with Representatives Dean Heller (R-NV) and Nathan Deal (R-GA) are planning to introduce an amendment to the Rules committee to close this loophole. But the Democrats are planning to block it.According to the Associated Press, “Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) indicated that the House will have to vote on a bill that allows illegal aliens to use the new health care ‘exchange’ and that does not require verification to keep illegal aliens out of the other parts of the proposed new federal health care system.”Despite Obama’s promises not to cover illegal aliens in the exchange, he will not pressure Congress to follow his own guidelines. The Hispanic Caucus sent their leaders to demand that Obama keep this loophole in the bill, and threatened to vote against it if it were closed. After the meeting, the Associated Press reported,“‘He listened to us. We listened to him,’ said Rep. Nydia Velazquez, D-N.Y., head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. ‘We made it very clear that 20 votes in the Hispanic caucus depend on the language in the House bill.“Currently, there is no prohibition in the House bill against illegal aliens buying insurance in the exchange, but the White House backs such a ban and one exists in the Senate bill.“‘I think that he got our message,’ Velazquez said.’ [Obama, House Dems press for health care votes, by Erica Werner and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press, November 5, 2009]What about verification? Virtually all means-tested programs require that applicants be verified through the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements [SAVE] program before getting benefits.But both the Senate and House versions of health care reform only require immigrants to show a driver’s license or social security card to prove legal status. Needless to say, as long experience with only requiring employees to provide easily forged ID cards to prove their legal work status shows, this will not keep illegals from fraudulently acquiring healthcare. Another loophole to give illegal aliens healthcare: anchor babies. Congressional Research Services reported that“There could be instances where some family members would meet the definition of an eligible individual for purposes of the credit, while other family members would not… H.R. 3200 [Note H.R. 3200 is not the version of the Health Care Bill that will be voted on—that’s H.R. 3692—however, the exact same problem exists in both bills.] does not expressly address how such a situation would be treated. Therefore, it appears that the Health Choices Commissioner would be responsible for determining how the credits would be administered in the case of mixed-status families.” [Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200, by Alison Siskin, Congressional Research Services, August 26, 2009]In other words, if a child of an illegal alien is an anchor baby US Citizen and thus eligible for Obamacare, then the entire family—legal or illegal—is also eligible.Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) summarized all these problems succinctly“First, the bill allows open access to the federally run Health Insurance Exchange, subsidized with two billion dollars of taxpayer funds. Second, the bill contains an unreliable verification mechanism. Applicants for federal insurance subsidies will not even be required to provide identity documents to prove they are who they claim to be. And third, the bill leaves open the possibility that if one citizen family member is eligible for benefits, then the whole family, including illegal immigrant family members, is also eligible for the benefits.”In addition (and an even bigger problem): legal immigrants can suck resources from the American taxpayer. The 1996 Welfare Reform Act sensibly barred legal immigrants from receiving means tested services in their first five years here. But H.R. 3692, explicitly provides an exemption, so that immigrants are immediately eligible for taxpayer-funded healthcare.Polls show that 83% of Americans don’t want illegal aliens to be covered by government insurance. But Obama apparently missed that message—because he is too concerned with the ethnic lobbies within his own party.While the Democrats lie about illegal aliens being covered by Obamacare, they are very upfront about the fact that covering illegals won’t matter anyway if we pass amnesty.Sen. Jeff Bingham (D-NM) said: “We are not trying to expand health care coverage to illegal immigrants through this legislation. That will have to be dealt with through comprehensive immigration reform [a.k.a. amnesty].”The Democrats realize that the immigration battle is tied to the health care battle. And so should immigration patriots.If the immigration issue manages to sink Obama’s top legislative goal, it’s a safe bet that amnesty for illegals will be dead on arrival.
"Washington Watcher" [email him] is an anonymous source Inside The Beltway.

Friday, November 20, 2009

He Lies! Obamacare Does Cover Illegal Aliens. (And Legal Immigrants Too, Needless To Say)

A timely post from www.vdare.com about the health care bill. You can get more interesting information by following this blog here.

He Lies! Obamacare Does Cover Illegal Aliens. (And Legal Immigrants Too, Needless To Say)
By Washington Watcher
Two months ago, Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) spoke truth to power when he yelled “You Lie!” as President Obama asserted "There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."[Transcript]Wilson was right. Obama was indeed lying.Under legislation which the House may vote on as early as Saturday (November 6), illegal aliens were allowed to participate in the government subsidized health “exchange”. The Democrats intentionally blocked amendments to require any verification to ensure that illegal aliens do not receive the public option.After Wilson exposed Obama and the Democrats' lies, the White House backtracked. Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that Obama would promote a bill where “illegal immigrants would not be allowed to access the exchange that is set up.” He also said that adding verification requirements is "something we'd work out with Congress." [White House stiffens against coverage for illegal immigrants, Associated Press, September 11, 2009]Obama can “work” all he wants, but the Democrats in Congress have apparently chosen simply to ignore his guidelines. In the 1900 pages of the health care bill, they couldn’t (=wouldn’t) add the few sentences that would keep illegal aliens from exploiting taxpayer services.Joe Wilson along with Representatives Dean Heller (R-NV) and Nathan Deal (R-GA) are planning to introduce an amendment to the Rules committee to close this loophole. But the Democrats are planning to block it.According to the Associated Press, “Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) indicated that the House will have to vote on a bill that allows illegal aliens to use the new health care ‘exchange’ and that does not require verification to keep illegal aliens out of the other parts of the proposed new federal health care system.”Despite Obama’s promises not to cover illegal aliens in the exchange, he will not pressure Congress to follow his own guidelines. The Hispanic Caucus sent their leaders to demand that Obama keep this loophole in the bill, and threatened to vote against it if it were closed. After the meeting, the Associated Press reported,“‘He listened to us. We listened to him,’ said Rep. Nydia Velazquez, D-N.Y., head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. ‘We made it very clear that 20 votes in the Hispanic caucus depend on the language in the House bill.“Currently, there is no prohibition in the House bill against illegal aliens buying insurance in the exchange, but the White House backs such a ban and one exists in the Senate bill.“‘I think that he got our message,’ Velazquez said.’ [Obama, House Dems press for health care votes, by Erica Werner and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press, November 5, 2009]What about verification? Virtually all means-tested programs require that applicants be verified through the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements [SAVE] program before getting benefits.But both the Senate and House versions of health care reform only require immigrants to show a driver’s license or social security card to prove legal status. Needless to say, as long experience with only requiring employees to provide easily forged ID cards to prove their legal work status shows, this will not keep illegals from fraudulently acquiring healthcare. Another loophole to give illegal aliens healthcare: anchor babies. Congressional Research Services reported that“There could be instances where some family members would meet the definition of an eligible individual for purposes of the credit, while other family members would not… H.R. 3200 [Note H.R. 3200 is not the version of the Health Care Bill that will be voted on—that’s H.R. 3692—however, the exact same problem exists in both bills.] does not expressly address how such a situation would be treated. Therefore, it appears that the Health Choices Commissioner would be responsible for determining how the credits would be administered in the case of mixed-status families.” [Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200, by Alison Siskin, Congressional Research Services, August 26, 2009]In other words, if a child of an illegal alien is an anchor baby US Citizen and thus eligible for Obamacare, then the entire family—legal or illegal—is also eligible.Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) summarized all these problems succinctly“First, the bill allows open access to the federally run Health Insurance Exchange, subsidized with two billion dollars of taxpayer funds. Second, the bill contains an unreliable verification mechanism. Applicants for federal insurance subsidies will not even be required to provide identity documents to prove they are who they claim to be. And third, the bill leaves open the possibility that if one citizen family member is eligible for benefits, then the whole family, including illegal immigrant family members, is also eligible for the benefits.”In addition (and an even bigger problem): legal immigrants can suck resources from the American taxpayer. The 1996 Welfare Reform Act sensibly barred legal immigrants from receiving means tested services in their first five years here. But H.R. 3692, explicitly provides an exemption, so that immigrants are immediately eligible for taxpayer-funded healthcare.Polls show that 83% of Americans don’t want illegal aliens to be covered by government insurance. But Obama apparently missed that message—because he is too concerned with the ethnic lobbies within his own party.While the Democrats lie about illegal aliens being covered by Obamacare, they are very upfront about the fact that covering illegals won’t matter anyway if we pass amnesty.Sen. Jeff Bingham (D-NM) said: “We are not trying to expand health care coverage to illegal immigrants through this legislation. That will have to be dealt with through comprehensive immigration reform [a.k.a. amnesty].”The Democrats realize that the immigration battle is tied to the health care battle. And so should immigration patriots.If the immigration issue manages to sink Obama’s top legislative goal, it’s a safe bet that amnesty for illegals will be dead on arrival.
"Washington Watcher" [email him] is an anonymous source Inside The Beltway.

Saturday, November 7, 2009

He Lies! Obamacare Does Cover Illegal Aliens. (And Legal Immigrants Too, Needless To Say)

A timely post from www.vdare.com about the health care bill.

He Lies! Obamacare Does Cover Illegal Aliens. (And Legal Immigrants Too, Needless To Say)
By Washington Watcher
Two months ago, Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) spoke truth to power when he yelled “You Lie!” as President Obama asserted "There are also those who claim that our reform efforts would insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false. The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."[Transcript]
Wilson was right. Obama was indeed lying.
Under legislation which the House may vote on as early as Saturday (November 6), illegal aliens were allowed to participate in the government subsidized health “exchange”. The Democrats intentionally blocked amendments to require any verification to ensure that illegal aliens do not receive the public option.
After Wilson exposed Obama and the Democrats' lies, the White House backtracked. Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that Obama would promote a bill where “illegal immigrants would not be allowed to access the exchange that is set up.” He also said that adding verification requirements is "something we'd work out with Congress." [White House stiffens against coverage for illegal immigrants, Associated Press, September 11, 2009]
Obama can “work” all he wants, but the Democrats in Congress have apparently chosen simply to ignore his guidelines. In the 1900 pages of the health care bill, they couldn’t (=wouldn’t) add the few sentences that would keep illegal aliens from exploiting taxpayer services.
Joe Wilson along with Representatives Dean Heller (R-NV) and Nathan Deal (R-GA) are planning to introduce an amendment to the Rules committee to close this loophole. But the Democrats are planning to block it.
According to the Associated Press,
“Rep. Louise Slaughter (D-N.Y.) indicated that the House will have to vote on a bill that allows illegal aliens to use the new health care ‘exchange’ and that does not require verification to keep illegal aliens out of the other parts of the proposed new federal health care system.”
Despite Obama’s promises not to cover illegal aliens in the exchange, he will not pressure Congress to follow his own guidelines. The Hispanic Caucus sent their leaders to demand that Obama keep this loophole in the bill, and threatened to vote against it if it were closed. After the meeting, the Associated Press reported,
“‘He listened to us. We listened to him,’ said Rep. Nydia Velazquez, D-N.Y., head of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. ‘We made it very clear that 20 votes in the Hispanic caucus depend on the language in the House bill.
“Currently, there is no prohibition in the House bill against illegal aliens buying insurance in the exchange, but the White House backs such a ban and one exists in the Senate bill.
“‘I think that he got our message,’ Velazquez said.’ [Obama, House Dems press for health care votes, by Erica Werner and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar, Associated Press, November 5, 2009]
What about verification? Virtually all means-tested programs require that applicants be verified through the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements [SAVE] program before getting benefits.
But both the Senate and House versions of health care reform only require immigrants to show a driver’s license or social security card to prove legal status. Needless to say, as long experience with only requiring employees to provide easily forged ID cards to prove their legal work status shows, this will not keep illegals from fraudulently acquiring healthcare.
Another loophole to give illegal aliens healthcare: anchor babies.
Congressional Research Services reported that
“There could be instances where some family members would meet the definition of an eligible individual for purposes of the credit, while other family members would not… H.R. 3200 [Note H.R. 3200 is not the version of the Health Care Bill that will be voted on—that’s H.R. 3692—however, the exact same problem exists in both bills.] does not expressly address how such a situation would be treated. Therefore, it appears that the Health Choices Commissioner would be responsible for determining how the credits would be administered in the case of mixed-status families.” [Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200, by Alison Siskin, Congressional Research Services, August 26, 2009]
In other words, if a child of an illegal alien is an anchor baby US Citizen and thus eligible for Obamacare, then the entire family—legal or illegal—is also eligible.
Rep. Lamar Smith (R-TX) summarized all these problems succinctly
“First, the bill allows open access to the federally run Health Insurance Exchange, subsidized with two billion dollars of taxpayer funds. Second, the bill contains an unreliable verification mechanism. Applicants for federal insurance subsidies will not even be required to provide identity documents to prove they are who they claim to be. And third, the bill leaves open the possibility that if one citizen family member is eligible for benefits, then the whole family, including illegal immigrant family members, is also eligible for the benefits.”
In addition (and an even bigger problem): legal immigrants can suck resources from the American taxpayer. The 1996 Welfare Reform Act sensibly barred legal immigrants from receiving means tested services in their first five years here. But H.R. 3692, explicitly provides an exemption, so that immigrants are immediately eligible for taxpayer-funded healthcare.
Polls show that 83% of Americans don’t want illegal aliens to be covered by government insurance. But Obama apparently missed that message—because he is too concerned with the ethnic lobbies within his own party.
While the Democrats lie about illegal aliens being covered by Obamacare, they are very upfront about the fact that covering illegals won’t matter anyway if we pass amnesty.
Sen. Jeff Bingham (D-NM) said: “We are not trying to expand health care coverage to illegal immigrants through this legislation. That will have to be dealt with through comprehensive immigration reform [a.k.a. amnesty].”
The Democrats realize that the immigration battle is tied to the health care battle. And so should immigration patriots.
If the immigration issue manages to sink Obama’s top legislative goal, it’s a safe bet that amnesty for illegals will be dead on arrival.
"Washington Watcher" [email him] is an anonymous source Inside The Beltway.

Thursday, September 10, 2009

ALIPAC Takes Issue With Obama's Lie about Health Care for illegal immigrants

An update from www.alipac.us about Barack Obama's latest speech. See also http://brianleesblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/joe-wilson-great-american-hero-bob.html

ALIPAC Takes Issue With Obama's Lie about Health Care for illegal immigrants
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
September 10, 2009
CONTACT: Americans for Legal Immigration PAC, www.alipac.us,
WilliamG@alipac.us,
(866) 703-0864
(Raleigh, NC) Americans for Legal Immigration PAC is making it clear today that they support Congressman Joe Wilson (R-SC) for his popular stances against illegal immigration and Amnesty and for his warning to the nation during Obama's speech last night when he yelled "You Lie!"
"It is a real shame that the rest of Congress was not on their feet pointing out the President's lie about illegal aliens in his Health Care plans along with Joe Wilson," said William Gheen. "When a politician lies to Congress and the public in front of Congress, our elected officials should speak out as Joe Wilson did."
Some Obama supporters in the media and online are making the claim that clapping and approving gestures are appropriate during Presidential speeches, while dissent is improper, rude, barbaristic, etc... ALIPAC believes that dissent has a proper place in any debate and that Obama supporters should not diefy the President.
"Joe Wilson yelled out what millions of Americans were thinking during Obama's speech," said William Gheen. "We agree with what Joe Wilson said, even if we did not, we would defend his right as an American to speak his mind."
President Obama lied to Congress and the nation during his speech of 09-09-09 when he claimed "The reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."
The evidence this is a lie is found in countless major news reports indicating that President Obama and Senator Chuck Schumer (D-NY) intend to try and pass Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty legislation soon, that would legalize millions of illegal immigrants and qualify them for all taxpayer benefits and jobs in America.
Rasmussen Reports poll released this week indicates that 83% of Americans oppose "government health care subsidies"for illegal immigrants.
Further evidence of Obama's lie is found in the FACT that while illegal immigrants are mentioned in HR 3200 as being ineligible for health care benefits, there are no enforcement provisions and Republican lawmaker attempts to amend the legislation and add enforcement provisions have been voted down by Democrats.

"Under current law, illegal aliens are not supposed to receive welfare or medicaid benefits. They are not supposed to register to vote or have jobs, either," said William Gheen. "But due to a virtual non enforcement of our existing immigration laws, illegal aliens are stealing American jobs, registering to vote, and receiving welfare and medicaid benefits."

ALIPAC stands with the over 80% of Americans who oppose taxpayer benefits for illegal aliens, want our borders secured, and oppose any form of Amnesty for illegal aliens. ALIPAC supporters are being encouraged to speak out against President Obama's lie about his health care reform bill and to speak out in support of Congressman Joe Wilson online and on talk radio shows.
"It is time for all Americans to follow the example of Joe Wilson and speak out against the lies coming out of Washington." said William Gheen.
For more information or to schedule interviews, please visit http://www.alipac.us
Americans for Legal Immigration
AMERICANS FOR LEGAL IMMIGRATION PAC
Post Office Box 30966, Raleigh, NC
27622-0966
Tel: (919) 787-6009 Toll Free: (866) 703-0864
FEC ID: C00405878

View the VIDEO of Obama and Joe Wilson's Exchange complete with public comments at.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9lk6UXPqbw